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''<small>This article is about the ideological tendency inspired by [[Deng Xiaoping]] outside of [[China]], for the ideology of the [[Communist Party of China]] itself, see [[Socialism with Chinese Characteristics]]</small>'' 
{{pov}}{{about|the informal designation used online|the theory of the Communist Party of China|Socialism with Chinese Characteristics}}
 
[[File:GenZedong Reddit Picture.png|thumb|Image used by r/GenZedong, a major, entirely online, self-declared "Dengist" community.]]
'''Dengism''' is a largely online political tendency which expresses critical or uncritical support for the [[People's Republic of China]], as well as a label for the ideological strain which supports this position. Dengism is named for [[Deng Xiaoping]] and derives some of its ideological positions from his writings. Use of the term from either supporters or critics is not common outside of internet spaces, and the concept may have originated on the internet {{cn}}. Dengism is controversial due to its direct connection to the heated debate over [[China]]. Dengism bears relation to [[Deng Xiaoping Theory]] and [[Xi Jinping Thought]] {{cn}} but is often associated much more with foreign supporters of the ideology of the [[Communist Party of China]] (particularly Westerners).<ref name=":0">[https://github.com/Red-Spectre/Info/blob/main/Against%20Dengism.md Against Dengism]''Red-Spectre''</ref>
'''Dengism''' is a largely online{{slanted}}{{cn}} political tendency which expresses critical or uncritical support for the [[People's Republic of China]], as well as a label for the ideological strain which supports this position. Dengism is named for [[Deng Xiaoping]] and derives some of its ideological positions from his writings. Use of the term from either supporters or critics is not common outside of internet spaces, and the concept may have originated on the internet.{{cn}} Dengism is controversial due to its direct connection to the heated debate over [[China]]. Dengism bears relation to [[Deng Xiaoping Theory]] and [[Xi Jinping Thought]] {{cn}} but is often associated much more with foreign supporters of the ideology of the [[Communist Party of China]] (particularly Westerners).<ref name=":0">[https://github.com/Red-Spectre/Info/blob/main/Against%20Dengism.md Against Dengism]''Red-Spectre''</ref>{{fv}}
 
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== Characteristics ==
== Characteristics ==


=== Campism and support for "Actually Existing Socialism" ===
=== Campism and support for "Actually Existing Socialism" ===
Despite claiming to uphold [[Mao Zedong|Mao Zedong's]] thesis that revolutionary movements must develop in accordance to national peculiarities and independently of external socialist states, most Dengists adhere to an extreme form of foreign dogmatism; viewing the primary bringers of socialism as being the supposedly socialist People's Republic of China and the [[Russian Federation]] (the latter country they reluctantly admit is not socialist, but de-facto regard it as still being socialist), rather than the proletariat and its revolutionary vanguard in each country. In addition, most Dengists omit class struggle altogether in favor of national struggle; viewing the world as being a conflict between an "anti-imperialist" (Eastern) camp and an imperialist (Western) camp, regardless as to the whether such states are socialist or not.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1">[https://queer-bolshevik.medium.com/the-aes-doctrine-wrong-then-wrong-now-a8666de371da The "AES" Doctrine: Wrong then, Wrong Now]</ref>
Despite claiming to uphold [[Mao Zedong|Mao Zedong's]] thesis that revolutionary movements must develop in accordance to national peculiarities and independently of external socialist states, most Dengists adhere to an extreme form of foreign dogmatism; viewing the primary bringers of socialism as being the supposedly socialist People's Republic of China and the [[Russian Federation]] (the latter country they reluctantly admit is not socialist, but de facto regard it as still being socialist), rather than the proletariat and its revolutionary vanguard in each country. In addition, most Dengists omit class struggle altogether in favor of national struggle; viewing the world as being a conflict between an "anti-imperialist" (Eastern) camp and an imperialist (Western) camp, regardless as to the whether such states are socialist or not.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1">[https://queer-bolshevik.medium.com/the-aes-doctrine-wrong-then-wrong-now-a8666de371da The "AES" Doctrine: Wrong then, Wrong Now]</ref>


Further, Dengists dogmatically adhere to the "[[Actually existing socialism|AES]]" ("actually existing socialism") doctrine. "AES" is a propaganda term concocted in the [[Union of Soviet Socialist Republics|Soviet]] revisionist regime under [[Brezhnev]] in order to justify their revisionist deviations and stagnation. Today, it is similarly used by Dengists to suggest that the modern corporatist and profit-driven economic system found in China and similar countries are the "be-all end-all" of socialism, as well as to justify any and all [[Revisionism|revisions and deviations to Marxism]] which the CPC and similar parties make.<ref name=":1" />
Further, Dengists dogmatically adhere to the "[[Actually existing socialism|AES]]" ("actually existing socialism") doctrine. "AES" is a propaganda term concocted in the [[Union of Soviet Socialist Republics|Soviet]] revisionist regime under [[Brezhnev]] in order to justify their revisionist deviations and stagnation. Today, it is similarly used by Dengists to suggest that the modern corporatist and profit-driven economic system found in China and similar countries are the "be-all end-all" of socialism, as well as to justify any and all [[Revisionism|revisions and deviations to Marxism]] which the CPC and similar parties make.<ref name=":1" />
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=== Third-worldism ===
=== Third-worldism ===
Not unexpectedly, most Dengists adhere to varying degrees of third-worldist ideology. Dengists commonly employ pseudo-racialist terminology to refer to Westerners and view the proletariat in Western countries as being "bought off" by imperialism (ironically, considering most Dengists are actually [[United States of America|US-Americans]] themselves). Thus, Dengists believe that socialism could only be attained in Western countries via a direct military conquest by the People's Republic of China or Russian Federation (that is assuming they concern themselves with spreading socialism in the first place, of which they largely do not).<ref name=":0" />
Not unexpectedly, most Dengists adhere to varying degrees of third-worldist ideology. Dengists commonly employ pseudo-racialist terminology to refer to Westerners and view the proletariat in Western countries as being "bought off" by imperialism (ironically, considering most Dengists are actually [[United States of America|US-Americans]] themselves). Thus, Dengists believe that socialism could only be attained in Western countries via a direct military conquest by the People's Republic of China or Russian Federation (that is assuming they concern themselves with spreading socialism in the first place, of which they largely do not).<ref name=":0" />
 
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=== Dogmato-revisionism ===
==Notable Dengist spaces==
Like many other revisionist groupings, Dengists take a [[Dogmato-revisionism|dogmato-revisionist]] position. Dengists, while actually caring very little for the classics of Marxism, often resort to quote mining (a rhetorical tactic wherein a debater selects certain quotes from an author to support their position while omitting the general ideas said author promoted) of Marxist theorists such as [[Lenin]] and [[Marx]] in order to support their bourgeois revisionist thesis that private property and bourgeoisie exist under socialism. Similarly, any Marxist who understands this dishonest tactic employed by Dengists are dogmatically rejected as "ultra-leftists".<ref name=":0" />
 
== Notable Dengist propaganda outlets ==
Dengists, being largely detached from actual revolutionary struggle and also being largely Westerners, lack any actual major political formations. Most Dengist "organizing" takes place online. Notable Dengist online communities and propaganda outlets include:
 
==== Subreddits ====
==== Subreddits ====
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/ r/GenZedong] — a play on "Gen Z" and [[Mao Zedong]]. Quarantined by Reddit for "a high volume of information not supported by credible sources"
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/InformedTankie/ r/InformedTankie]
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/asktankies/ r/asktankies] — affiliated with GenZedong


* [https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/ r/GenZedong] — a youth-focused extremist community largely based in [[Reddit]]. Despite regularly espousing hateful rhetoric, it has yet to be banned.
==== Lemmy instances ====
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/InformedTankie/ r/InformedTankie] — a subreddit dedicated to "helping tankies stay informed". Largely a repository of propaganda screeds. Believes Bolivia and Venezuela are "AES".
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/asktankies/ r/asktankies] — a subreddit where newcomers to Dengism can "ask tankies" about their views. Serves as a major indoctrination center into revisionist ideology.
 
==== Lemmy ====
 
* [[Lemmygrad|lemmygrad.ml]] — a web forum with archives for the subreddits above. Most users are from r/GenZedong.  
* [[Lemmygrad|lemmygrad.ml]] — a web forum with archives for the subreddits above. Most users are from r/GenZedong.  
* [https://www.hexbear.net hexbear.net] — a web forum which, in theory, is "left-unity", but is largely Dengist.  
* [https://www.hexbear.net hexbear.net] — a web forum which, in theory, is "left-unity", but is largely Dengist.{{cn}}


==== Media outlets ====
==== Media outlets ====
* [https://redsails.org/ redsails.org] — contains third-worldist and Chinese nationalist material.{{cn}}


* [https://redsails.org/ redsails.org] — a propaganda outlet which contributes third-worldist and Chinese nationalist material.
== Criticism ==
Critics accuse Dengists of supporting [[social-imperialism]], [[class collaborationism]], or even [[chauvinism]] against Westerners and others.


== Comparison to other ideologies ==
=== Comparison to other ideologies ===
Dengism can be compared to other revisionist and "market socialist" ideologies. Dengism is extremely similar to, for instance, [[patriotic socialism]] (regarding the social-chauvinist trend in the United States), in the sense that they are both fanatically supportive of so-called "AES" countries and the Russian Federation, they both uphold private ownership of the means of production even into [[socialism]], they both view national struggle as more dominate to class struggle, and so forth. It could be said that the only major difference between Dengism and patriotic socialism is simply a matter of where their [[chauvinism]] lies; while Dengists are Chinese chauvinists (despite largely being Westerners themselves), patriotic socialists are American chauvinists.
Dengists have been compared{{who}}<!--By who? Do you have a source? Cite the passage. Otherwise this is an unnecessarily inflammatory comparison and should be reduced to individual arguments.--> to [[patriotic socialism]] in the sense that they may be supportive of "AES" countries and the [[Russian Federation]]; they both uphold private ownership of the means of production even into [[socialism]];{{cn}} they both view national struggle as more dominate to class struggle, and so forth.
 
== Criticism ==
Dengists have been widely criticized by most on the Left. Dengists, because of their extreme sectarianism and dogmatism, are generally regarded in a similar way to other largely online pseudo-socialist trends like "[[patriotic socialism]]".  By the 2020s, Dengism as an ideology has been firmly disproven and discredited by [[Anti-revisionism|anti-revisionists]].<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" />


== See also ==
== See also ==
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* [[People's Republic of China]]
* [[People's Republic of China]]
== References ==
== References ==
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Latest revision as of 23:04, 20 April 2024

Image used by r/GenZedong, a major, entirely online, self-declared "Dengist" community.

Dengism is a largely online[tendency-based slant][citation needed] political tendency which expresses critical or uncritical support for the People's Republic of China, as well as a label for the ideological strain which supports this position. Dengism is named for Deng Xiaoping and derives some of its ideological positions from his writings. Use of the term from either supporters or critics is not common outside of internet spaces, and the concept may have originated on the internet.[citation needed] Dengism is controversial due to its direct connection to the heated debate over China. Dengism bears relation to Deng Xiaoping Theory and Xi Jinping Thought [citation needed] but is often associated much more with foreign supporters of the ideology of the Communist Party of China (particularly Westerners).[1][failed verification]

Notable Dengist spaces

Subreddits

Lemmy instances

  • lemmygrad.ml — a web forum with archives for the subreddits above. Most users are from r/GenZedong.
  • hexbear.net — a web forum which, in theory, is "left-unity", but is largely Dengist.[citation needed]

Media outlets

Criticism

Critics accuse Dengists of supporting social-imperialism, class collaborationism, or even chauvinism against Westerners and others.

Comparison to other ideologies

Dengists have been compared[who?] to patriotic socialism in the sense that they may be supportive of "AES" countries and the Russian Federation; they both uphold private ownership of the means of production even into socialism;[citation needed] they both view national struggle as more dominate to class struggle, and so forth.

See also

References

  1. Against DengismRed-Spectre